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A trial pack of 4 for $4 :) Thought some of you might be interested!
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Started by *susiehomemaker*, Jul 04 2007 09:36 AM
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#3 *susiehomemaker*
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 10:08 AM
I am getting some too & I am going to compost them to check it all out ;) We only use sposies for night (which is bad enough imo) so if I can get ones that will biodegrade in my own back yard I will feel a bit better about it anyway :D
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 10:27 AM
Er, yes. The PUL covers are for over the cloth nappies that Karen also sells ;D LOL- I love her cloth nappies best :P The Butt Wraps rock (see my review)
From the Safeties Website in FAQ's
When the nappy is soiled it seems to be cold. I am concerned that the nappy could be leaking. Could this be the case?
Safeties have been specially designed to ensure your baby remains dry and cool. The second outer layer is a 100% water proof (bio film), which is also breathable. This layer allows air to reach your baby' skin, which assists in the prevention of nappy rash. The circulation of air also allows babies’ vital organs to remain cool, preventing dehydration.
I have no idea what the bio film exactly though....
From the Safeties Website in FAQ's
When the nappy is soiled it seems to be cold. I am concerned that the nappy could be leaking. Could this be the case?
Safeties have been specially designed to ensure your baby remains dry and cool. The second outer layer is a 100% water proof (bio film), which is also breathable. This layer allows air to reach your baby' skin, which assists in the prevention of nappy rash. The circulation of air also allows babies’ vital organs to remain cool, preventing dehydration.
I have no idea what the bio film exactly though....
#7 *susiehomemaker*
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 10:43 AM
It doesnt cut it with me either- as I have already said, I only use them for night, and I dont like doing that even. But if I can find one that WILL biodegrade for night time use only I would prefer to use that instead of a crappy huggies. At least it wouldnt be ending up in landfill if I compost it here too. I am not saying everyone should convert to sposie's! I hate the damned things. If DD's butt didnt come up in blisters from wearing cloth overnight I would never buy another sposie
#8 *country bumpkin*
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 11:57 AM
susiehomemaker said:
It doesnt cut it with me either- as I have already said, I only use them for night, and I dont like doing that even. But if I can find one that WILL biodegrade for night time use only I would prefer to use that instead of a crappy huggies. At least it wouldnt be ending up in landfill if I compost it here too. I am not saying everyone should convert to sposie's! I hate the damned things. If DD's butt didnt come up in blisters from wearing cloth overnight I would never buy another sposie
I wasnt attacking LOL- Sorry that it came across like I was!! :)
#11 *lotusutol*
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 02:04 PM
If they are using anything like this http://www.ausasialink.com/, it would probably compost better than you would expect. I had a plastic grocery shopping bag that was designed to decompose (probably from the same company) and it did, one year later... in my empty luggage bag!
#12 *miss_das*
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 02:15 PM
lotusutol said:
If they are using anything like this http://www.ausasialink.com/, it would probably compost better than you would expect. I had a plastic grocery shopping bag that was designed to decompose (probably from the same company) and it did, one year later... in my empty luggage bag!
Ah haha. That's kinda gross :~)
#18 *susiehomemaker*
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:32 AM
Hmmmmm..... soft...... so very very soft. Got them today and Laura is in one ATM (just pre-washing her 7 new butt wraps and had to change her while we where out unexpectedly) Gorgeous fit, plain white (woohoo- I hate patterns on sposies, nothing is going to make them look nice IMO) and really really soft. I will let you guys know how they hold up over night, they are looking promising so far and no plastic feel/rustle. I will pull one apart when Laura is done with it to see what is in it. Stay tuned....
#20 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 10:12 PM
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Er, yes. The PUL covers are for over the cloth nappies that Karen also sells ;D LOL- I love her cloth nappies best :P The Butt Wraps rock (see my review)
From the Safeties Website in FAQ's
When the nappy is soiled it seems to be cold. I am concerned that the nappy could be leaking. Could this be the case?
Safeties have been specially designed to ensure your baby remains dry and cool. The second outer layer is a 100% water proof (bio film), which is also breathable. This layer allows air to reach your baby' skin, which assists in the prevention of nappy rash. The circulation of air also allows babies’ vital organs to remain cool, preventing dehydration.
I have no idea what the bio film exactly though....
From the Safeties Website in FAQ's
When the nappy is soiled it seems to be cold. I am concerned that the nappy could be leaking. Could this be the case?
Safeties have been specially designed to ensure your baby remains dry and cool. The second outer layer is a 100% water proof (bio film), which is also breathable. This layer allows air to reach your baby' skin, which assists in the prevention of nappy rash. The circulation of air also allows babies’ vital organs to remain cool, preventing dehydration.
I have no idea what the bio film exactly though....
Apparently there is a new biodegradable alternative for gladwrap that is corn based??? So it could be true. Will research more and get back to you maybe not for a few days though. Obviously they are still going to use up more of the worlds precious resources than cloth nappies, but they may be a better option for some people than normal sposies. Look forward to hearing more reports on these nappies.
#21 *susiehomemaker*
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 11:27 AM
Okay- held up really well over night last night, and yesterday's nappy contained an explosive disgusto poo really well. I just cut open the wet used sposie from last nights wee-fest, there is indeed a plasticy layer but it could well be the "bio film" that it is meant to be.... It is very thin, tore very easily (I tore up the entire nappy and popped it in the compost) The core of the nappy was a cotton like fibre (like cotton wooly-ish) but also contains crystals of some sort...... The core was only half wet from a big night which was good. I will let you know how it goes breaking down in the compost- I will be doing this with the night sposies from now on. They are looking like they will break down quite easily- I am hopeful! I agree AM- obviously more resource hungry than beautiful MCN, but so far seem a better option than normal sposies. Esp if you can compost them yourself and not add to landfill. Dont know how you would go doing that if you had bubs in sposies full time on a normal suburban block with minimal compostable garden waste etc to add to the compost.... Anyway- will let you know how the biodegrading goes....
#24 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:53 PM
Just wanted to share an email from a friend re the new Safeties. I think it would be great for a few of us to try getting the correct information from the people making these nappies. Also worth knowing that: anyone making a claim about things breaking down in landfill in 6 months is lying!!! Landfills are anaerobic which means that no air, moisture or light gets in, these are all needed in the breaking down process. Very few things if any break down in landfill in 6 months. See at the bottom of this quote from my friend a link to an article at the Natural Parenting site re disposable nappies. Hopes this clears a few things up. Also, lets start presuring this company to start backing up their claims. Ask for evidence of independent testing on biodegradability and ingredients in the nappy.
""Hi there Caro and Dom,
I just want to jump in and say that I know of someone who has had these in her active compost for 6 months and they have not significantly broken down. She has been trying to contact the makers of Safeties to ask them by which standards their nappies have been tested to be 100% biodegradable...and they have not been able to get a response. She has also asked them what materials they have used in their nappies, and they have told her they are not going to divulge them.
So, personally, I am VERY suspicious of these claims. It would be good if everyone could start asking them who has given them a biodegradability certification...it needs to have been independently tested.
I personally really baulk at the fact that they are advertising them as compostable when they are (as far as I have heard)not....they apparently also say they break down completely in land fill in 6 months...Dominique - would it be fair to say that very little - even organic matter - would break down in landfiill in 6 months (as is is essentially a non-active biological system)? Or have I got things completely wrong......
Cheers
http://www.naturalpa...d=180&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=62&tx_ttnews[backPid]=154&cHash=f5861f85b
This link does not seem to be working.. To find the article go to http://www.naturalparenting.com.au/
then Parenting then Elimination Needs and find first article titled "Responsible Use of Disposable Nappies … and new Eco-disposables"
""Hi there Caro and Dom,
I just want to jump in and say that I know of someone who has had these in her active compost for 6 months and they have not significantly broken down. She has been trying to contact the makers of Safeties to ask them by which standards their nappies have been tested to be 100% biodegradable...and they have not been able to get a response. She has also asked them what materials they have used in their nappies, and they have told her they are not going to divulge them.
So, personally, I am VERY suspicious of these claims. It would be good if everyone could start asking them who has given them a biodegradability certification...it needs to have been independently tested.
I personally really baulk at the fact that they are advertising them as compostable when they are (as far as I have heard)not....they apparently also say they break down completely in land fill in 6 months...Dominique - would it be fair to say that very little - even organic matter - would break down in landfiill in 6 months (as is is essentially a non-active biological system)? Or have I got things completely wrong......
Cheers
http://www.naturalpa...d=180&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=62&tx_ttnews[backPid]=154&cHash=f5861f85b
This link does not seem to be working.. To find the article go to http://www.naturalparenting.com.au/
then Parenting then Elimination Needs and find first article titled "Responsible Use of Disposable Nappies … and new Eco-disposables"
#25 *Phoenixs Mum*
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:59 PM
I agree Caro- I might just point out again here the thread we had earlier where I posted all the info I collected on different disposables. Most companies claim bullshit and there is no legislation to make them back it up :mad:
http://forums.nappie...pic.php?id=1349
Honestly, IMO plastic is plastic. Some "eco friendly" disposables are actually worse than Huggies because their plastic content is higher!!! I'm going to email the company now, how about we all try? :/
http://forums.nappie...pic.php?id=1349
Honestly, IMO plastic is plastic. Some "eco friendly" disposables are actually worse than Huggies because their plastic content is higher!!! I'm going to email the company now, how about we all try? :/
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 10:06 PM
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SeNevens International Ltd is focused on innovation and product development. Our commitment is to research new technologies that assist in maintaining a clean and healthy environment.
SeNevens has developed a multi layer natural and regenerated fibre material that has been used in the development of Safeties Nature Nappy, a 100% biodegradable nappy which breaks down within six months, depending on soil conditions. The average disposable takes about 500 years to break down and is the third most common item found in landfill followed by paper products and food containers. Biodegradable disposable bags are provided for each nappy assisting in the decomposition of the product.
The Safeties Nature Nappy is one of the softest products on the market. It has a silk like outer layer that is gentle to touch and is exceptionally breathable, whilst the core layer naturally absorbs moisture away from the baby. This unique technology has significant health benefits as it is able to keep your baby ultra dry, whilst preventing overheating and dehydration. Nappy rash is reduced and your baby's body temperature and fluid levels remain constant.
As designers we are inspired to start with the identification of an ongoing problem, followed by extensive research to obtain solutions. As inventors, we owe this to the planet and to the future of our children.
We should be wise when making choices for our children and our future.
SeNevens International Ltd is focused on innovation and product development. Our commitment is to research new technologies that assist in maintaining a clean and healthy environment.
SeNevens has developed a multi layer natural and regenerated fibre material that has been used in the development of Safeties Nature Nappy, a 100% biodegradable nappy which breaks down within six months, depending on soil conditions. The average disposable takes about 500 years to break down and is the third most common item found in landfill followed by paper products and food containers. Biodegradable disposable bags are provided for each nappy assisting in the decomposition of the product.
The Safeties Nature Nappy is one of the softest products on the market. It has a silk like outer layer that is gentle to touch and is exceptionally breathable, whilst the core layer naturally absorbs moisture away from the baby. This unique technology has significant health benefits as it is able to keep your baby ultra dry, whilst preventing overheating and dehydration. Nappy rash is reduced and your baby's body temperature and fluid levels remain constant.
As designers we are inspired to start with the identification of an ongoing problem, followed by extensive research to obtain solutions. As inventors, we owe this to the planet and to the future of our children.
We should be wise when making choices for our children and our future.
Sounds like every other sposie to me :rolleyes:
#29 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 10:11 PM
Re that article I've edited info to get to the link, it is listed as "free access" and I wasn't logged in to see the article. So you should be able to get in.
To find the article go to http://www.naturalparenting.com.au/
then "Parenting" then "Elimination Needs" and find first article titled "Responsible Use of Disposable Nappies … and new Eco-disposables"
To find the article go to http://www.naturalparenting.com.au/
then "Parenting" then "Elimination Needs" and find first article titled "Responsible Use of Disposable Nappies … and new Eco-disposables"
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 10:12 PM
Summary of web form submission:
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Hi, I am just inquiring as to how your nappies were tested to be shown to be 100% biodegradable? I am wondering which testing process was used to discover this- was it independent testing? I'm also wondering how the nappies are biodegradable- is the plastic a special plastic? I'd like to know if I can compost them too? Thanks in advance, Amber
I emailed them and will see if I get a response :D
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Hi, I am just inquiring as to how your nappies were tested to be shown to be 100% biodegradable? I am wondering which testing process was used to discover this- was it independent testing? I'm also wondering how the nappies are biodegradable- is the plastic a special plastic? I'd like to know if I can compost them too? Thanks in advance, Amber
I emailed them and will see if I get a response :D
#31 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 10:34 PM
Here's a copy of my info request to the company. Thanks for the link to their website Amber (would have taken me hours to find it!!)
Hi,
I am interested in finding a more eco-friendly disposable nappy for my daughter. I have a number of questions about your Safeties nappies.
I would like to know what studies you have done to make the claim that your Safeties nappies are 100% biodegradable and "biodegrade within six months, depending on soil conditions"? Where these studies done by an independent company? What soil conditions are needed for the nappies to biodegrade within six months? Can I put them in my home compost bin? Also, what type of material is used to make these nappies water proof? My baby has reactions to many types of plastics.
Thankyou in anticipation of your response.
Carolyn Shurey
Hi,
I am interested in finding a more eco-friendly disposable nappy for my daughter. I have a number of questions about your Safeties nappies.
I would like to know what studies you have done to make the claim that your Safeties nappies are 100% biodegradable and "biodegrade within six months, depending on soil conditions"? Where these studies done by an independent company? What soil conditions are needed for the nappies to biodegrade within six months? Can I put them in my home compost bin? Also, what type of material is used to make these nappies water proof? My baby has reactions to many types of plastics.
Thankyou in anticipation of your response.
Carolyn Shurey
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 10:41 PM
http://www.senevens....chievements.htm Have a look at the news article of her holding a baby. Very interesting...
#33 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 11:13 PM
I'm confused is she making cloth nappies as well, or is she saying her sposies are cloth. If that is the case things are going to get confusing, maybe we we'll have to start distinguishing the cloth nappies we are talking about as reusable nappies!!! :/
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 11:50 PM
This is in their FAQ section -
(with my emphasis)
So which standards have they used?? This is a strange piece of info to place in a FAQ as it fails to answer the question.
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What does â??biodegradable meanâ? ?
The term biodegradable means that a substance is able to be broken down into a simpler substance by the activities of a living organism; therefore it is unlikely to persist in the environment. There are many different standards to measure biodegradability; each country has its own. The requirements range from 60%-90% decomposition of the product in 60 -180 days of it being placed in landfill.
The term biodegradable means that a substance is able to be broken down into a simpler substance by the activities of a living organism; therefore it is unlikely to persist in the environment. There are many different standards to measure biodegradability; each country has its own. The requirements range from 60%-90% decomposition of the product in 60 -180 days of it being placed in landfill.
(with my emphasis)
So which standards have they used?? This is a strange piece of info to place in a FAQ as it fails to answer the question.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 12:02 AM
OK so I'm tired right now, but I just emailed this to them :
Hi there,
As an environmentally conscious mum, I was excited to learn of your product and especially interested in its' ability to biodegrade. I would like to know what the requirements are for 100% biodegradability? Does this mean that the nappy WILL COMPLETELY break down? And if so, how has it been proven that Safeties nappies will 100% break down in landfill? Who has tested this claim? Who has certified it?
I'm sorry if that's a lot of questions, but I find this claim amazing and would welcome some evidence of how this is possible.
Thank you.
They'll probably feel attacked and not respond :/
Hi there,
As an environmentally conscious mum, I was excited to learn of your product and especially interested in its' ability to biodegrade. I would like to know what the requirements are for 100% biodegradability? Does this mean that the nappy WILL COMPLETELY break down? And if so, how has it been proven that Safeties nappies will 100% break down in landfill? Who has tested this claim? Who has certified it?
I'm sorry if that's a lot of questions, but I find this claim amazing and would welcome some evidence of how this is possible.
Thank you.
They'll probably feel attacked and not respond :/
#41 *ikis*
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 09:40 PM
Angelinasmum said:
I'm confused is she making cloth nappies as well, or is she saying her sposies are cloth. If that is the case things are going to get confusing, maybe we we'll have to start distinguishing the cloth nappies we are talking about as reusable nappies!!! :/
The mother in the article was saying that these nappies would make it easier to use cloth (as they go through so many when little) - I am assuming it means that she can alternate between cloth and sposies without compromising on environmental aspects.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 08:31 PM
I got my response from them:
Sound like a lot of overexplaining about nothing to me :rolleyes:
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Dear Mothers,
Thank you for your inquiry and sorry I could not get back sooner as I have been overseas.
With regards to bio-degration: we have obtained EU and American standards for bio degration on 95% of our raw materials used. The natural fibres used are cellulose and the elastic have been tested and reports form a highly accepted University, conducted by a professor is part of our work in connection with our claim of bio degradability. With the tabs and the landing zone of the nappy as we have mentioned that it will take longer but they all bio degrade. We have mentioned that our product bio degrades within 6-8 months depending on soil conditions. Please refer our website. Fastening and trimmings of a product is considered accessories of the product. We have used semi synthetic polymers for them and they do bio degrade thought it may take a longer time.
The term bio degradability means that a substance is able to be broken down into simpler substances by the activities of living organisms, and there fore is unlikely to persist in the environment. There are many different standards used to measure biodegradability, with each country having its own. The requirement range from 90 percent to 60 percent decomposition of the product within 60 â?? 180 days of being placed in a standard composting environment. We have also had our own tests done and our claim of bio degradability has been proved beyond the standard requirement. While we also keep developing our product in every batch, which you will be able to experience in the short term if you do happen to purchase Safeties nature Nappy.
The Safeties nature nappy consists 95% of natural materials in the form of back sheet, absorbent core, and the liquid impervious layer along side with the semi polymers that are derived from cellulose and then combined to molecules that are short and loosely bonded together, to be broken apart and assimilated by decomposer organisms.
We at Senevens strive to reduce Global warming by reducing the impact on land fill and to assure a comfortable product next to babyâ??s skin that is vulnerable. I advice very strongly that you should also consider researching about supper absorbent powder that is used in most conventional nappies and disposable bio degradable nappy pads, which is a highly toxic chemical used for urine and body fluid absorption which is linked to infertility, nappy rash and lead to many other illnesses in babies and also linked to T.S.S. (Toxic shock syndrome.) These are used in large quantities and this is something you as mothers should seriously look into. Safety of your baby I believe is number one issue which we have addressed and resolved in developing Safeties Nature Nappy.
We at Senevens and I my self as the Inventor, believe in solving and addressing an issue in hope of making a better and a safer planet for the future of this world â??OUR CHILDRENâ? and congratulate every oneâ??s effort in doing so and do not consider any other company as a competitor in this field, but only consider them as supporters trying to achieve one mission. â??SAVE OUR PLANETâ? .
I invite you to visit our web site for regular updated information and thank you again for your interest. Please feel free to email if you do have further inquires.
Kind regards,
Charishma
Thank you for your inquiry and sorry I could not get back sooner as I have been overseas.
With regards to bio-degration: we have obtained EU and American standards for bio degration on 95% of our raw materials used. The natural fibres used are cellulose and the elastic have been tested and reports form a highly accepted University, conducted by a professor is part of our work in connection with our claim of bio degradability. With the tabs and the landing zone of the nappy as we have mentioned that it will take longer but they all bio degrade. We have mentioned that our product bio degrades within 6-8 months depending on soil conditions. Please refer our website. Fastening and trimmings of a product is considered accessories of the product. We have used semi synthetic polymers for them and they do bio degrade thought it may take a longer time.
The term bio degradability means that a substance is able to be broken down into simpler substances by the activities of living organisms, and there fore is unlikely to persist in the environment. There are many different standards used to measure biodegradability, with each country having its own. The requirement range from 90 percent to 60 percent decomposition of the product within 60 â?? 180 days of being placed in a standard composting environment. We have also had our own tests done and our claim of bio degradability has been proved beyond the standard requirement. While we also keep developing our product in every batch, which you will be able to experience in the short term if you do happen to purchase Safeties nature Nappy.
The Safeties nature nappy consists 95% of natural materials in the form of back sheet, absorbent core, and the liquid impervious layer along side with the semi polymers that are derived from cellulose and then combined to molecules that are short and loosely bonded together, to be broken apart and assimilated by decomposer organisms.
We at Senevens strive to reduce Global warming by reducing the impact on land fill and to assure a comfortable product next to babyâ??s skin that is vulnerable. I advice very strongly that you should also consider researching about supper absorbent powder that is used in most conventional nappies and disposable bio degradable nappy pads, which is a highly toxic chemical used for urine and body fluid absorption which is linked to infertility, nappy rash and lead to many other illnesses in babies and also linked to T.S.S. (Toxic shock syndrome.) These are used in large quantities and this is something you as mothers should seriously look into. Safety of your baby I believe is number one issue which we have addressed and resolved in developing Safeties Nature Nappy.
We at Senevens and I my self as the Inventor, believe in solving and addressing an issue in hope of making a better and a safer planet for the future of this world â??OUR CHILDRENâ? and congratulate every oneâ??s effort in doing so and do not consider any other company as a competitor in this field, but only consider them as supporters trying to achieve one mission. â??SAVE OUR PLANETâ? .
I invite you to visit our web site for regular updated information and thank you again for your interest. Please feel free to email if you do have further inquires.
Kind regards,
Charishma
Sound like a lot of overexplaining about nothing to me :rolleyes:
#45 *Angelinasmum*
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 09:45 PM
Sal said:
Hmm interesting. I wonder if I'll get the same response (including typos :P )
Hmmm me too???? Haven't received anything yet. :/
Not really very clear is it. Still doesn't explain weather or not it will break down in home compost!!!!
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 09:58 PM
http://www.joyousbir...read.php?t=9133 check out this thread on JB- hmm :/
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 10:08 PM
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There are many different standards used to measure biodegradability, with each country having its own. The requirement range from 90 percent to 60 percent decomposition of the product within 60 – 180 days of being placed in a standard composting environment.
It's this part here, besides the rest of the grammar and spelling mistakes, that has me pondering...... a standard composting environment. Isn't that just like some of the other biodegradable nappies? If they're composted in a "standard composting environment", which is certainly not in landfill but instead a home compost, they will biodegrade.
What happens if, like most disposable nappies, they are "composted" in landfill? How long do they take to biodegrade. Didn't I read earlier in the thread about some info on their site about a claim that they do biodegrade in landfill?
Does all that make sense? I'm kind of writing as all these thoughts come into my head :lol:
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 10:12 PM
The dumb thing is that up to 70% of any disposable regardless of brand will break down (ie biodegrade :rolleyes:) over time- but they all break down faster in compost than in landfill :|
Note that nowhere on their site do they suggest home composting :/
Note that nowhere on their site do they suggest home composting :/
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