We're just about to reach the end of the box of Huggies my MIL bought us when Declan was born and I want to make sure that we still have a box to use as a back up (particularly over winter as this weather really doesn't help anything dry quickly - I want to move up north!)
I think I want to use some enviromentally friendly nappies as a back up, but I have no idea which ones are best or where to get them from - I'm prefer a real shop, but I haven't completely ruled out ordering online.
Does anyone have any recomendations?
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#2 *Phoenixs Mum*
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 10:37 AM
Ok, I looked into all of these and will type out the info for you tonight when I am not about to race off to work.
I looked into all of the brands and they all have 32-34% plastic which never biodegrades, they all have the same gel filler which will decompose after a while, and the brands which seem environmentally friendly are making false claims:
For instance: Moltex says on their packaging that the bag is compostable. Great, the bag is compostable. But the nappies are not- and the nappies are also dyed brown to make them seem 'Eco friendly'. Tsk tsk.
Bambo Nature Nappies say they have a Europe Swan Environmental Star or some bullshit which actually applies to their manufacturing processes and not the nappies themselves.... The nappies themselves are no better than Huggies.
Naturebaby says that 70% of their product is recyclable- so are Huggies.
All in all the only ones which were Enviro friendly were Weenees compostable pads. The rest are basically Huggies with a colour variation or different packaging.
I'll type out all the hard facts from the other stuff when I get a chance. :) Probably tonight.
I looked into all of the brands and they all have 32-34% plastic which never biodegrades, they all have the same gel filler which will decompose after a while, and the brands which seem environmentally friendly are making false claims:
For instance: Moltex says on their packaging that the bag is compostable. Great, the bag is compostable. But the nappies are not- and the nappies are also dyed brown to make them seem 'Eco friendly'. Tsk tsk.
Bambo Nature Nappies say they have a Europe Swan Environmental Star or some bullshit which actually applies to their manufacturing processes and not the nappies themselves.... The nappies themselves are no better than Huggies.
Naturebaby says that 70% of their product is recyclable- so are Huggies.
All in all the only ones which were Enviro friendly were Weenees compostable pads. The rest are basically Huggies with a colour variation or different packaging.
I'll type out all the hard facts from the other stuff when I get a chance. :) Probably tonight.
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 11:30 AM
Hi Fern,
I bought a pack of sposies ages ago as 'back ups'. I think it was a pck of 24. This is over 6 months ago and I still have a couple left! Honestly, I wouldn't bother buying any! Ditto what MFA said.
BUT if you do want to buy some, go for the Natures Babycare that Nuddle said. They are the ones I bought and I liked them (for a sposie ;))
I have a few left and they don't fit bub anymore - if you PM me your address I'll send you a few so you can see what they are like :)
I bought a pack of sposies ages ago as 'back ups'. I think it was a pck of 24. This is over 6 months ago and I still have a couple left! Honestly, I wouldn't bother buying any! Ditto what MFA said.
BUT if you do want to buy some, go for the Natures Babycare that Nuddle said. They are the ones I bought and I liked them (for a sposie ;))
I have a few left and they don't fit bub anymore - if you PM me your address I'll send you a few so you can see what they are like :)
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 12:32 PM
Hmmmm, dunno TBH...
I know Weenees are entirely compostable, but only if they are disposed of appropriately...flushed or composted...if you put them in the bin they will still take ages to break down.
Only prob with Weenees is that you need a wrap of some sort to put them in.
I am sure you would be fine without back ups!! How often have you needed a back-up thus far??
I know Weenees are entirely compostable, but only if they are disposed of appropriately...flushed or composted...if you put them in the bin they will still take ages to break down.
Only prob with Weenees is that you need a wrap of some sort to put them in.
I am sure you would be fine without back ups!! How often have you needed a back-up thus far??
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 02:00 PM
I've been using babylove ecobots (green packet found in some supermarkets) Claims on the packaging: increased biodegradable and compostable content, uses advanced plant-based materials from renewable resources, biodegradable packaging, made in Australia and is endorsed by planetark. They work well as a night nappy on Angelina
I've also used the nature baby nappies and these are probably a bit better nappy but I'm pretty sure they are not made in Australia.
Moltex which is the brand that all the health food shops and enviro shops down here stock are definitely made overseas. They are possibly the most eco friendly of the lot, they have a very good reputation with all the hippies down here but they are more expensive than any other disposable I know (probably cause they are from overseas). Here is the link to a shop that sells them online.
http://www.rosysgard...m.au/baby.htm#1
My friend who sells these nappies says that some of the parents she sells them too actually rip open the moltex after its been used and puts the inside into their compost and only throws out the outer waterproof shell which is the bit that doen't break down easily.
Given that the miles that they have to travel to get to you should be taken into account my jury is out on which is the most eco friendly disposable. :/ :/ :/
PS I know Amber has done extensive research on this topic and found out about some false or misleading claims that are being made. My notes are only based on what I read on the packaging.
PPS I have uses the eennee pads before and they do break down easily in a home compost so long as you are not using too many (these were my night nappy option for a while)
I've also used the nature baby nappies and these are probably a bit better nappy but I'm pretty sure they are not made in Australia.
Moltex which is the brand that all the health food shops and enviro shops down here stock are definitely made overseas. They are possibly the most eco friendly of the lot, they have a very good reputation with all the hippies down here but they are more expensive than any other disposable I know (probably cause they are from overseas). Here is the link to a shop that sells them online.
http://www.rosysgard...m.au/baby.htm#1
My friend who sells these nappies says that some of the parents she sells them too actually rip open the moltex after its been used and puts the inside into their compost and only throws out the outer waterproof shell which is the bit that doen't break down easily.
Given that the miles that they have to travel to get to you should be taken into account my jury is out on which is the most eco friendly disposable. :/ :/ :/
PS I know Amber has done extensive research on this topic and found out about some false or misleading claims that are being made. My notes are only based on what I read on the packaging.
PPS I have uses the eennee pads before and they do break down easily in a home compost so long as you are not using too many (these were my night nappy option for a while)
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 03:36 PM
I used the moltex in germany with my ds and found them to be a very good nappy, if that helps at all... I must say though, I do agree that you probably wouldnt need a backup, I have a heap of sposies here still, and cant see myself using them, unless we get more shocking nappy rash lol.
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Posted 25 June 2007 - 08:07 PM
A new eco disposable has just been released- sounds alot better than the others!- check them out here
http://www.buttnatur...40d7f40e18a7500
They are 100% biodegradable & come with a biodegradable bag for each nappy in each pack. I havent tried them yet, but I am going to!
http://www.buttnatur...40d7f40e18a7500
They are 100% biodegradable & come with a biodegradable bag for each nappy in each pack. I havent tried them yet, but I am going to!
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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:31 AM
Lol, I need a backup, I promise! Put it this way, in 4 months I've used just under 100 disposables (although he spent the first five days entirely in sposies and when we went to visit my mum he was in disposables for three days, so that accounts for the majority of them) but I need them for when I've been slack with the washing or when the weather is miserable. I've tried using my flats but my folding sucks :)
I tried moltex (I got a sample at the expo) and they were okay, although I only got one so I didn't get to see what they were like with an explosive poo, although if it's true about them being dyed brown then I think it's a bit dodgy - I also agree with Angelina'sMum that you have to take into account how far they've travelled and the effect of transport. I would also rather support an Aussie company.
I might take you up on the offer of trying out those babycare ones Phin, I don't want to go out and buy a packet only for them to be crap - I haven't been very impressed with huggies so far so I'm hard to please :)
I tried moltex (I got a sample at the expo) and they were okay, although I only got one so I didn't get to see what they were like with an explosive poo, although if it's true about them being dyed brown then I think it's a bit dodgy - I also agree with Angelina'sMum that you have to take into account how far they've travelled and the effect of transport. I would also rather support an Aussie company.
I might take you up on the offer of trying out those babycare ones Phin, I don't want to go out and buy a packet only for them to be crap - I haven't been very impressed with huggies so far so I'm hard to please :)
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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:02 PM
Angelinasmum said:
I've been using babylove ecobots (green packet found in some supermarkets) Claims on the packaging: increased biodegradable and compostable content, uses advanced plant-based materials from renewable resources, biodegradable packaging, made in Australia and is endorsed by planetark. They work well as a night nappy on Angelina
I am using these for night nappies at the moment too.. DD has had another bout of nappy rash, and it seems to flare up at night in cloth :( Have some new BBBs though so will give 'em a go
Anyway, back onto topic...
I only started using cloth when DD was 1 year old *runs and hides* I never knew about MCN until I met a mum using them, and ever since I have been hooked!
So far, the babyLove EcoBots have been propably the best ones I have used that are eco-friendly [only know what they say on the packaging - I haven't researched them...]
HTH
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Posted 26 June 2007 - 03:30 PM
What about these ones
(100% biodegradable)
http://www.naturescr...products_id=271
I haven't used them yet, but i remembered i got an email a few weeks ago about them.
(100% biodegradable)
http://www.naturescr...products_id=271
I haven't used them yet, but i remembered i got an email a few weeks ago about them.
#17 *Phoenixs Mum*
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Posted 01 July 2007 - 05:43 PM
Nappy Brand | Non Degradable Plastic | Compostable? | Eco Claims | Comments /Deceptive Marketing
MOLTEX 30% No 50% Nonbleached The outer packaging has a large compostable symbol which
fluff, corn starch refers to the outer bag only, not the contents (this confuses
biodegrad packaging comsumers into thinking the whole product is compostable;
the plastic in the nappy has been dyed an off white colour
and the fluff pulp is 50% unbleached to give it a shade of
brown. The manufacturers of Moltex make no claim that
their nappies are compostable; significant volumes of plastic
are left contaminating compost if attempted. Distributors
often make the false claim of compostability in 8-10weeks.
ECO BOTS 32% No 'Softer on the Earth'; The Eco Bots still has 32% non degradable plastic which is
Cornstarch outer similar to other disposable nappies. It does now have a
packaging + 68% biodegradable backing sheet, but the inner layer, Velcro
biodegradable nappy tabs and elastic are not biodegradable.
NATURE 30% No 70% Natural & The claim of 70% Natural & Biodegradable materials is not
BABYCARE biodegrad materials significantly different to standard plastic disposables.
(uses a corn starch
plastic layer)
SEVENTH 30% No Totally Chlorine Free To claim 'Totally Chlorine Free' cannot be correct, the best
GENERATION they should claim is non-chlorine bleached. Most nappies
are made using a non-chlorine bleaching process, so these
nappies are not any different to other standard disposables
BAMBO 33% No Nordic Eco Swan The 'green' label associated with this product is for very
NATURE Label limited manufacturing eco friendly practices (some
recycling at the manufacturing plant, which most nappy
makers also practice).
REGULAR 30% No Not Applicable
PLASTIC
DISPOSABLES
WEENEES 0% 100% Fully Flushable, These nappies compost in 8-10 weeks. This is the only
fully compostable disposable nappy with real and measurable environmental
Independant University advantages. It has been independently tested to support
tested & Cradle to its claims.
Cradle accredited
MOLTEX 30% No 50% Nonbleached The outer packaging has a large compostable symbol which
fluff, corn starch refers to the outer bag only, not the contents (this confuses
biodegrad packaging comsumers into thinking the whole product is compostable;
the plastic in the nappy has been dyed an off white colour
and the fluff pulp is 50% unbleached to give it a shade of
brown. The manufacturers of Moltex make no claim that
their nappies are compostable; significant volumes of plastic
are left contaminating compost if attempted. Distributors
often make the false claim of compostability in 8-10weeks.
ECO BOTS 32% No 'Softer on the Earth'; The Eco Bots still has 32% non degradable plastic which is
Cornstarch outer similar to other disposable nappies. It does now have a
packaging + 68% biodegradable backing sheet, but the inner layer, Velcro
biodegradable nappy tabs and elastic are not biodegradable.
NATURE 30% No 70% Natural & The claim of 70% Natural & Biodegradable materials is not
BABYCARE biodegrad materials significantly different to standard plastic disposables.
(uses a corn starch
plastic layer)
SEVENTH 30% No Totally Chlorine Free To claim 'Totally Chlorine Free' cannot be correct, the best
GENERATION they should claim is non-chlorine bleached. Most nappies
are made using a non-chlorine bleaching process, so these
nappies are not any different to other standard disposables
BAMBO 33% No Nordic Eco Swan The 'green' label associated with this product is for very
NATURE Label limited manufacturing eco friendly practices (some
recycling at the manufacturing plant, which most nappy
makers also practice).
REGULAR 30% No Not Applicable
PLASTIC
DISPOSABLES
WEENEES 0% 100% Fully Flushable, These nappies compost in 8-10 weeks. This is the only
fully compostable disposable nappy with real and measurable environmental
Independant University advantages. It has been independently tested to support
tested & Cradle to its claims.
Cradle accredited
#18 *Phoenixs Mum*
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Posted 01 July 2007 - 05:46 PM
ps Plastic is plastic. A disposable has to contain roughly 30% plastic to ensure it is waterproof on the outside. I don't know about the Safeties nappies but it sounds odd to me. Think about cloth nappies- they need an outer which contains PUL (plastic) or fleece (again, plastic) to make them waterproof. Or wool ;) So how could a disposable be fully biodegradable and have a waterproof outer? :|
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Posted 02 July 2007 - 07:07 AM
Amber, what you say is so true. Imo if you are going to use them it is your choice, dont let anyone make you feel bad about it or make you feel you have to justify it but dont try to cover it up with 'oh but i use environmentlly friendly ones', they dont exist! and dont try and think your sposie wearing is better than anyone elses cause they are all prety much the same, hehe. :P
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I have tried natures babycare , a white pack, find it at the supermarkets. it sais 70% of each nappy is degradable... there is a website www.naty.com
I like the nappies, good fit, and good absorbency
I like the nappies, good fit, and good absorbency
I found these at Coles tonight so bought a pack to try out...
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:21 PM
Eenees pads also contain the super absorbent crystals which I was surprised to learn... and I definitely don't think all disposables are the same. We use Moltex and their outer waterproof layer is made from biofilm (I think it's called) and is certified biodegradable.
I tried the new safeties but they got heavy and cold when wet and bub didn't like it one bit!
Kaz
I tried the new safeties but they got heavy and cold when wet and bub didn't like it one bit!
Kaz
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:39 PM
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Eenees pads also contain the super absorbent crystals which I was surprised to learn... and I definitely don't think all disposables are the same. We use Moltex and their outer waterproof layer is made from biofilm (I think it's called) and is certified biodegradable.
I tried the new safeties but they got heavy and cold when wet and bub didn't like it one bit!
Kaz
I tried the new safeties but they got heavy and cold when wet and bub didn't like it one bit!
Kaz
Moltex's outer layer is actually not certified biodegradable. The inner breatheable film is though! I saw a report by a group that put a Moltex nappy into a compost showing photos of it. After 6 months the nappy was still in one piece! However if you place the nappy in a worm farm apparently it breaks down faster. :freak: Still not convinced, the actual company makes no claim about this and refutes it in their company FAQ. Have a look! They say you should only put the nappy in the bin!!
http://www.moltex.de...x_englisch.html
The only claim they make is that their packaging is compostable.
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 07:45 AM
The waterproof layer in safeties actually seems to be biodegrading/melting if the nappy gets too full, so I think it's waterproof layer is definately more biodegradable than alot of other sposies. Not just a little leak, an all over even leak. Quite good really apart from the leak factor..... I tore this nappy apart and it looks promising. But as everyone keeps saying a sposie is a sposie ra ra ra. I know it isnt better than cloth, I am not saying they are better than cloth, but I am composting them myself to try and keep the landfill to the minimum and I only use one a day (if that- trying to use cloth at night as well without DD rashing to the max....) If I could use none I would but I have to use something on DD until she is TT'd. They contain those silly crystal things too which I was not too impressed with- they made it sound as though they where not in them at all. But it is either a sposie or a Laura in a lot of pain crying and pointing at her nappy after she has been wearing a clothy one all night :disappointed:
Love all the info Amber! You have such a wealth of knowledge you spunky chick you! I am looking at Weenee's now that we have run out of safeties. I must say I am getting sick of wasting money on a squillion different things to try and find something that works for DD and the enviroment though.... :dull: Esp when it is for only 1 nappy every second day :( And when it is no longer cloth.... Plastic mail really doesnt do it for me :lol:
Love all the info Amber! You have such a wealth of knowledge you spunky chick you! I am looking at Weenee's now that we have run out of safeties. I must say I am getting sick of wasting money on a squillion different things to try and find something that works for DD and the enviroment though.... :dull: Esp when it is for only 1 nappy every second day :( And when it is no longer cloth.... Plastic mail really doesnt do it for me :lol:
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